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	<title>Comments on: 2008 Belgian Grand Prix report</title>
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		<title>By: Carlos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Completely disagree with Mr. Nigel. We can not justify a mistake with another one. In Belgium, Hamilton took advantage and that&#039;s it.
Anyway he will be world champion despite this incident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Completely disagree with Mr. Nigel. We can not justify a mistake with another one. In Belgium, Hamilton took advantage and that&#8217;s it.<br />
Anyway he will be world champion despite this incident.</p>
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		<title>By: John Painter</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Painter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not just face facts. The &quot;Spiritual Home of Motor Racing&quot; lies fairly and squarely in one B. Ecclestone&#039;s (increasingly) fat wallet..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not just face facts. The &#8220;Spiritual Home of Motor Racing&#8221; lies fairly and squarely in one B. Ecclestone&#8217;s (increasingly) fat wallet..</p>
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		<title>By: Örjan Bergstedt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Örjan Bergstedt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 09:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s what I think:
Lewis Hamiltons punishment was wholly unjust, he won the race fair and square!
Now, I&#039;m commenting from a distance - both time and geographical - since a month has passed since the race and me being an overseas reader (Swedish). I thus may not be a Hamilton fan by default, but my - is he a d****d good driver!
Lewis Hamilton is a genuine r a c e r, very much in Ayrton Senna&#039;s spirit. I&#039;ll freely admit it didn&#039;t appear to me last year: it looked too easy for much of the time for him. And the post qualifying/race press conferences were generally a boring legacy of the Schumacher-Ferrari era. It wasn&#039;t until the Parkinson interview that it struck me what a racer he really is.
So, Lewis&#039;s overtaking of Kimi was what any racer would have done or should have done anyway.
To me, this episode resembles more of FiA&#039;s (read Max Mosleys) antipathy with the McLaren team rather than any actual contravention of the sporting regulations!

Örjan Bergstedt
Sweden</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s what I think:<br />
Lewis Hamiltons punishment was wholly unjust, he won the race fair and square!<br />
Now, I&#8217;m commenting from a distance &#8211; both time and geographical &#8211; since a month has passed since the race and me being an overseas reader (Swedish). I thus may not be a Hamilton fan by default, but my &#8211; is he a d****d good driver!<br />
Lewis Hamilton is a genuine r a c e r, very much in Ayrton Senna&#8217;s spirit. I&#8217;ll freely admit it didn&#8217;t appear to me last year: it looked too easy for much of the time for him. And the post qualifying/race press conferences were generally a boring legacy of the Schumacher-Ferrari era. It wasn&#8217;t until the Parkinson interview that it struck me what a racer he really is.<br />
So, Lewis&#8217;s overtaking of Kimi was what any racer would have done or should have done anyway.<br />
To me, this episode resembles more of FiA&#8217;s (read Max Mosleys) antipathy with the McLaren team rather than any actual contravention of the sporting regulations!</p>
<p>Örjan Bergstedt<br />
Sweden</p>
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		<title>By: John Sorrie</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Sorrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Don Capps&#039; comment. 

Don, I would agrue it would be safe to say Britain is very much the &#039;spiritual home&#039; of motor racing. 

Look through the history books of F1 and Sportscars and Britain in inexorably linked to so many wins, championships and key moments. 

The key personnel in most teams, back through the history of the sport are almost always British, even today, most teams have more Brits than any other nationality.  Most F1 teams today too, are based in the UK. 

The wider public always sees F1 as &#039;motor sport&#039; and the leading teams, from the 50s onwards in particular are predominantly British. Lotus, Tyrell, Williams, McLaren, Brabham: all, essentially, British.  Ferrari is the only team which has been constantly at the forefront of the sport yet is not British.  (Although it should be pointed out that many of their key team members now, including Massa&#039;s engineer, are British.) 

Try taking Britain and Brits and anything connected with the two out of motor sport history and see what you are left with.

Coming back to the original issue for debate here, any right thinking person can see that this penalty was totally unjust but, somehow, it seems like divine retribution that Ferrari&#039;s pit devices broke, levelling the playing fields again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Don Capps&#8217; comment. </p>
<p>Don, I would agrue it would be safe to say Britain is very much the &#8216;spiritual home&#8217; of motor racing. </p>
<p>Look through the history books of F1 and Sportscars and Britain in inexorably linked to so many wins, championships and key moments. </p>
<p>The key personnel in most teams, back through the history of the sport are almost always British, even today, most teams have more Brits than any other nationality.  Most F1 teams today too, are based in the UK. </p>
<p>The wider public always sees F1 as &#8216;motor sport&#8217; and the leading teams, from the 50s onwards in particular are predominantly British. Lotus, Tyrell, Williams, McLaren, Brabham: all, essentially, British.  Ferrari is the only team which has been constantly at the forefront of the sport yet is not British.  (Although it should be pointed out that many of their key team members now, including Massa&#8217;s engineer, are British.) </p>
<p>Try taking Britain and Brits and anything connected with the two out of motor sport history and see what you are left with.</p>
<p>Coming back to the original issue for debate here, any right thinking person can see that this penalty was totally unjust but, somehow, it seems like divine retribution that Ferrari&#8217;s pit devices broke, levelling the playing fields again.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Capps</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Capps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Men in Blazers have always been more slightly off the mark, so this is all no surprise to me. Of course, if they did not have all those silly, poorly designed chicanes in the first place.....

Sorry, but this statement, &quot;Britain is the spiritual home of motor racing....&quot; almost had me fall out of my chair. Sorry, but I somehow never knew that. Considering that Britain languished for many, many years in the backwaters of the racing world, bringing real meaning to the concept of being &quot;insular.&quot; 

Long before Brooklands and The Right Crowd emerged, motor racing was a vibrant, dynamic force in France and the United States. Indeed, the first racing as we know racing took place in America. The W.K Vanderbilt Cup of 1904 helped lead the way to the GP de l&#039;ACF in 1906. Brooklands is long done as a venue, but racing continues at Milwaukee and the IMS, both contemporaries of Brooklands.

Sorry to veer off topic, but, by Jingo, nearly two decades prior to the first RAC British GP there was the Grand Prize Race for the ACA Gold Cup in Savannah. Britain&#039;s ascent to the fore during, roughly, the 1951-1960 period (sports cars and grand prix racing included as well as drivers) is a remarkable story. However, any claims for &quot;Britain [being] the spiritual home of motor racing&quot; need to be looked at with serious reservations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Men in Blazers have always been more slightly off the mark, so this is all no surprise to me. Of course, if they did not have all those silly, poorly designed chicanes in the first place&#8230;..</p>
<p>Sorry, but this statement, &#8220;Britain is the spiritual home of motor racing&#8230;.&#8221; almost had me fall out of my chair. Sorry, but I somehow never knew that. Considering that Britain languished for many, many years in the backwaters of the racing world, bringing real meaning to the concept of being &#8220;insular.&#8221; </p>
<p>Long before Brooklands and The Right Crowd emerged, motor racing was a vibrant, dynamic force in France and the United States. Indeed, the first racing as we know racing took place in America. The W.K Vanderbilt Cup of 1904 helped lead the way to the GP de l&#8217;ACF in 1906. Brooklands is long done as a venue, but racing continues at Milwaukee and the IMS, both contemporaries of Brooklands.</p>
<p>Sorry to veer off topic, but, by Jingo, nearly two decades prior to the first RAC British GP there was the Grand Prize Race for the ACA Gold Cup in Savannah. Britain&#8217;s ascent to the fore during, roughly, the 1951-1960 period (sports cars and grand prix racing included as well as drivers) is a remarkable story. However, any claims for &#8220;Britain [being] the spiritual home of motor racing&#8221; need to be looked at with serious reservations.</p>
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		<title>By: David Holmes</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Holmes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now I know that F1 has become a corrupt farce. At the end of last season I wrote to MS making the comment that Ferrari and the powers that be, would do everything in their power to stop Hamilton from becoming World Champion. The last races on the calendar maybe wouldn&#039;t have had the anticpation if Hamilton had kept his win. I recorded the race and, based on decades of F1 watching, I can say that Hamilton gained no advantage from what happened and there could have been an accident if he had not cut the chicane. He gave Raikonnen his place back so nothing changed. The fact that he is the best driver out there seems to have Ferrari in a tizzy and, coupled with the influence of Ecclestone, the task for Hamilton is made unfairly difficult. Scrap the whole F1 system and start anew, with the aim being motor sport, not Ecclestone&#039;s bank account.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I know that F1 has become a corrupt farce. At the end of last season I wrote to MS making the comment that Ferrari and the powers that be, would do everything in their power to stop Hamilton from becoming World Champion. The last races on the calendar maybe wouldn&#8217;t have had the anticpation if Hamilton had kept his win. I recorded the race and, based on decades of F1 watching, I can say that Hamilton gained no advantage from what happened and there could have been an accident if he had not cut the chicane. He gave Raikonnen his place back so nothing changed. The fact that he is the best driver out there seems to have Ferrari in a tizzy and, coupled with the influence of Ecclestone, the task for Hamilton is made unfairly difficult. Scrap the whole F1 system and start anew, with the aim being motor sport, not Ecclestone&#8217;s bank account.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Cubbedge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Cubbedge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, also, have been following F1 since the mid-60s. I guess I should have expected the FIA to rule this way. They rarely see the light - just look at the regs for the last 15 years!

Not to compare events, but in a similar way I will always think of this years&#039; Spa race as a Hamilton victory much in the same way I remember Martin Brundle finishing 2nd at Detroit in 1984. Don&#039;t forget, the latter mentoned was only a few years removed from almost everyone on the grid having an illegal car, so why punish Brundle for such an amazing drive regardless of circumstance?

Over here, race results almost always stand. Punishment is handed down through fines and suspensions. The fans leave the track knowing for better or worse, who won.

Here&#039;s to the end of those that make the decisions... New blood is desperately needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, also, have been following F1 since the mid-60s. I guess I should have expected the FIA to rule this way. They rarely see the light &#8211; just look at the regs for the last 15 years!</p>
<p>Not to compare events, but in a similar way I will always think of this years&#8217; Spa race as a Hamilton victory much in the same way I remember Martin Brundle finishing 2nd at Detroit in 1984. Don&#8217;t forget, the latter mentoned was only a few years removed from almost everyone on the grid having an illegal car, so why punish Brundle for such an amazing drive regardless of circumstance?</p>
<p>Over here, race results almost always stand. Punishment is handed down through fines and suspensions. The fans leave the track knowing for better or worse, who won.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s to the end of those that make the decisions&#8230; New blood is desperately needed.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Hulford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Hulford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why should the victory go to Massa? This is a colossal insult to the sport of motor racing. Hamilton’s win will go down as a great race of impeccable brilliance and timing on his and McLaren’s part. 
If Hamilton had genuinely erred he should have been fined and kept the race win. Ron Dennis may not be the race organisers’ favourite team leader, but you don’t keep on thumping him. The $100m fine was too much as it was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why should the victory go to Massa? This is a colossal insult to the sport of motor racing. Hamilton’s win will go down as a great race of impeccable brilliance and timing on his and McLaren’s part.<br />
If Hamilton had genuinely erred he should have been fined and kept the race win. Ron Dennis may not be the race organisers’ favourite team leader, but you don’t keep on thumping him. The $100m fine was too much as it was.</p>
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		<title>By: David Peek</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Peek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The steward&#039;s decision brings shame on the already filthily soiled reputation of the once glorious sport of Formula 1. Democracy is being stilfled because if you visit the Formula 1 website you can&#039;t even record your disgust; you have to vote for one of 3 insignificant drivers as &#039;the man of the day&#039;. It is now time for enthusiasts to revolt in every way possible. BRING DOWN THE EVIL DICTATORS THAT ARE DESPOILIMG THIS ONCE NOBLE SPORT OF HEROES.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The steward&#8217;s decision brings shame on the already filthily soiled reputation of the once glorious sport of Formula 1. Democracy is being stilfled because if you visit the Formula 1 website you can&#8217;t even record your disgust; you have to vote for one of 3 insignificant drivers as &#8216;the man of the day&#8217;. It is now time for enthusiasts to revolt in every way possible. BRING DOWN THE EVIL DICTATORS THAT ARE DESPOILIMG THIS ONCE NOBLE SPORT OF HEROES.</p>
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		<title>By: John Kent</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been a follower of Grand Prix racing for 50 years and a reader and subscriber to your august Journal for most of this time. Some years ago, I turned away from the sport for a period when I felt that politics was ruining the spirit of the sport and that those such as myself who enjoy every aspect of racing were being ignored by bodies that cared nothing for our views or enjoyment. 
 
Where is the sport going ?
 
I don&#039;t condone industrial espionage or infringement of intellectual property rights but last years actions and heavy-handed response to the &#039;spying scandal&#039; unsettled my interest again. Since the sport began, teams and drivers have always sought to gain advantage over their rivals and whilst the actions of Stepney and those others involved were so blatant, I could not help but believe that &#039;there for the grace of god&#039; go many others. The sanctions applied to McLaren appeared to me to be inequitable and showed what I felt was a bias towards Ferrari that I found unpalatable. 
 
Mosley has a right to privacy and I don&#039;t frankly care what he gets up to but his perversions become public knowledge, for whatever motive, and thus I have to question the workings of the man&#039;s mind in all things and ask myself how he is perceived in places such as Bahrain and Abu Dhabi where the culture is a million miles from that apparently acceptable to him.
 
Then we have Ecclestone finally winning his battle to take away the British GP from Silverstone. Whether Donington can deliver what he wants in the time available is questionable and, if not, where does our GP go to. Britain is the spiritual home of motor racing and the technology and innovation that fuels the industry and secures jobs in this country is built on that heritage - how can Ecclestone be allowed to prostitute his position by even contemplating giving our Grand Prix away.
 
And so to Spa which has also been under threat. Spa which is everything the spectator could wish for, speed, sweeping bends, hairpins, fast straights and overtaking, in a lovely setting that is guaranteed a large and knowledgeable audience, rather than the sterility of the recently created Mickey-mouse cement and sand circuits that are being added to the calendar.
 
But does any of the above matter. The answer is no, not one jot, when the Stewards can demote Hamilton to third place for racing to a brilliant victory today. Hamilton was the best driver today, in a car that was able to cope with the variable conditions. To have the victory and winners points handed to Massa who clearly couldn&#039;t drive faster than Hamiliton at any point in the race was a travesty. Another action which, in my mind is totally against the spirit of the sport and which again brings it into disrepute. I don&#039;t have a copy of the Rule Book but surely Hamilton did what was demanded by letting Raikkonen take the lead again ? Whether Hamilton gained an advantage that helped him to overtake again is open to question and in my mind irrelevant, because I suggest that even if he had not made the second pass when/as he did, there would have been no chance of Raikkonen staying ahead of him until the end.
 
Without my reading the rule book it seems that the Stewards are making up the rules as they go and, yet again, these rules favour Ferrari. Today&#039;s debacle and Massa&#039;s inconsequential fine for dangerous manoeuvres in the Pit Lane seem hugely inequitable again. We seem to be back again to the times when Schumacher was allowed free rein to behave as he liked in the knowledge that there would, apparently, never be punitive sanctions against Ferrari.
 
Why should I bother to watch another Grand prix when it&#039;s obvious that racing and being the best driver on the day don&#039;t matter. My time would be better spent continuing the renovation of my Mk2 Spitfire and enjoying driving it around the Donegal roads - at least idiots such as those at Spa cannot turn that into a charade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been a follower of Grand Prix racing for 50 years and a reader and subscriber to your august Journal for most of this time. Some years ago, I turned away from the sport for a period when I felt that politics was ruining the spirit of the sport and that those such as myself who enjoy every aspect of racing were being ignored by bodies that cared nothing for our views or enjoyment. </p>
<p>Where is the sport going ?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t condone industrial espionage or infringement of intellectual property rights but last years actions and heavy-handed response to the &#8216;spying scandal&#8217; unsettled my interest again. Since the sport began, teams and drivers have always sought to gain advantage over their rivals and whilst the actions of Stepney and those others involved were so blatant, I could not help but believe that &#8216;there for the grace of god&#8217; go many others. The sanctions applied to McLaren appeared to me to be inequitable and showed what I felt was a bias towards Ferrari that I found unpalatable. </p>
<p>Mosley has a right to privacy and I don&#8217;t frankly care what he gets up to but his perversions become public knowledge, for whatever motive, and thus I have to question the workings of the man&#8217;s mind in all things and ask myself how he is perceived in places such as Bahrain and Abu Dhabi where the culture is a million miles from that apparently acceptable to him.</p>
<p>Then we have Ecclestone finally winning his battle to take away the British GP from Silverstone. Whether Donington can deliver what he wants in the time available is questionable and, if not, where does our GP go to. Britain is the spiritual home of motor racing and the technology and innovation that fuels the industry and secures jobs in this country is built on that heritage &#8211; how can Ecclestone be allowed to prostitute his position by even contemplating giving our Grand Prix away.</p>
<p>And so to Spa which has also been under threat. Spa which is everything the spectator could wish for, speed, sweeping bends, hairpins, fast straights and overtaking, in a lovely setting that is guaranteed a large and knowledgeable audience, rather than the sterility of the recently created Mickey-mouse cement and sand circuits that are being added to the calendar.</p>
<p>But does any of the above matter. The answer is no, not one jot, when the Stewards can demote Hamilton to third place for racing to a brilliant victory today. Hamilton was the best driver today, in a car that was able to cope with the variable conditions. To have the victory and winners points handed to Massa who clearly couldn&#8217;t drive faster than Hamiliton at any point in the race was a travesty. Another action which, in my mind is totally against the spirit of the sport and which again brings it into disrepute. I don&#8217;t have a copy of the Rule Book but surely Hamilton did what was demanded by letting Raikkonen take the lead again ? Whether Hamilton gained an advantage that helped him to overtake again is open to question and in my mind irrelevant, because I suggest that even if he had not made the second pass when/as he did, there would have been no chance of Raikkonen staying ahead of him until the end.</p>
<p>Without my reading the rule book it seems that the Stewards are making up the rules as they go and, yet again, these rules favour Ferrari. Today&#8217;s debacle and Massa&#8217;s inconsequential fine for dangerous manoeuvres in the Pit Lane seem hugely inequitable again. We seem to be back again to the times when Schumacher was allowed free rein to behave as he liked in the knowledge that there would, apparently, never be punitive sanctions against Ferrari.</p>
<p>Why should I bother to watch another Grand prix when it&#8217;s obvious that racing and being the best driver on the day don&#8217;t matter. My time would be better spent continuing the renovation of my Mk2 Spitfire and enjoying driving it around the Donegal roads &#8211; at least idiots such as those at Spa cannot turn that into a charade.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Ambroson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Ambroson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 06:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ferrari was dominating from 2000 through 2002, so the rules FOR 2003 were changed because of that domination. You can twist the semantics of my quick typing (and lack of copyeditor to proof my posts for clarity and such), but that much is reality. Comedy? That&#039;s almost what listening to the folks who perceive Ferrari as the root of all that is bad in F1. 

What about that special fuel in the Brabhams in &#039;83 (or at least in Nelson&#039;s at South Africa)?

What about those special hydraulic suspensions used to get around ride height rules back in &#039;82 or so. 

What about the other infractions and worse by many of the non-Ferrari teams in the last 20 years? Why do we not hear so much grousing about that? 

And why do many drivers on the grid this weekend say they agree with the penalty? I&#039;ve read comments from non-Italian drivers such as Bourdais and Webber amongst others?


Well, if you find my views comedically in the wrong, at least you&#039;ve described them as constructed in a masterly fashion. That&#039;s something, innit... ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ferrari was dominating from 2000 through 2002, so the rules FOR 2003 were changed because of that domination. You can twist the semantics of my quick typing (and lack of copyeditor to proof my posts for clarity and such), but that much is reality. Comedy? That&#8217;s almost what listening to the folks who perceive Ferrari as the root of all that is bad in F1. </p>
<p>What about that special fuel in the Brabhams in &#8217;83 (or at least in Nelson&#8217;s at South Africa)?</p>
<p>What about those special hydraulic suspensions used to get around ride height rules back in &#8217;82 or so. </p>
<p>What about the other infractions and worse by many of the non-Ferrari teams in the last 20 years? Why do we not hear so much grousing about that? </p>
<p>And why do many drivers on the grid this weekend say they agree with the penalty? I&#8217;ve read comments from non-Italian drivers such as Bourdais and Webber amongst others?</p>
<p>Well, if you find my views comedically in the wrong, at least you&#8217;ve described them as constructed in a masterly fashion. That&#8217;s something, innit&#8230; ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raikkonen thumps the back of the Force India at Monaco, and gains a place.
Hamilton thumps the back of Raikkonen, and is penalised.
Massa gets away with the pit-lane incident.
Come on, Ron.  Paint the McLarens red.  They might not notice, and let you win something.
Perhaps Hamilton&#039;s real crime was in reminding everyone how exciting real overtaking is, in contrast to overtaking by pit-stop strategy which has sadly become the norm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raikkonen thumps the back of the Force India at Monaco, and gains a place.<br />
Hamilton thumps the back of Raikkonen, and is penalised.<br />
Massa gets away with the pit-lane incident.<br />
Come on, Ron.  Paint the McLarens red.  They might not notice, and let you win something.<br />
Perhaps Hamilton&#8217;s real crime was in reminding everyone how exciting real overtaking is, in contrast to overtaking by pit-stop strategy which has sadly become the norm.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Pepper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Pepper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Errr, what you actually said, Rich, was &quot;back in &#039;03, when Ferrari was dominating&quot;. If you didn&#039;t actually mean Ferrari was dominating in &#039;03, you shouldn&#039;t have written it.

I wasn&#039;t &quot;complaining&quot; per se about the Michelin tread width situation - I was complaining that you had written that the rules were tweaked when Ferrari were dominating in &#039;03, when precisely the reverse was true. It&#039;s hardly my fault if this only arose because you hadn&#039;t expressed yourself clearly.

And don&#039;t make silly and wholly false comparisons with Ron Dennis asking for clarification about Ferrari&#039;s rear wing last year, because the clarification he received was that the rear wing was legal, within the context of the existing technical regs. Perhaps once again you meant to write something else, of course, because McLaren also asked for clarification about a floor attachment mechanism on the Ferrari, which the FIA did indeed rule to be illegal, according to the EXISTING technical regs, but nonetheless it allowed Ferrari&#039;s victory in the Australian GP, using this illegal device, to stand.

How on earth that therefore compares to the rules being CHANGED to outlaw the Michelin tyre in &#039;03, goodness only knows. I await your next comedy masterpiece to find out :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Errr, what you actually said, Rich, was &#8220;back in &#8217;03, when Ferrari was dominating&#8221;. If you didn&#8217;t actually mean Ferrari was dominating in &#8217;03, you shouldn&#8217;t have written it.</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t &#8220;complaining&#8221; per se about the Michelin tread width situation &#8211; I was complaining that you had written that the rules were tweaked when Ferrari were dominating in &#8217;03, when precisely the reverse was true. It&#8217;s hardly my fault if this only arose because you hadn&#8217;t expressed yourself clearly.</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t make silly and wholly false comparisons with Ron Dennis asking for clarification about Ferrari&#8217;s rear wing last year, because the clarification he received was that the rear wing was legal, within the context of the existing technical regs. Perhaps once again you meant to write something else, of course, because McLaren also asked for clarification about a floor attachment mechanism on the Ferrari, which the FIA did indeed rule to be illegal, according to the EXISTING technical regs, but nonetheless it allowed Ferrari&#8217;s victory in the Australian GP, using this illegal device, to stand.</p>
<p>How on earth that therefore compares to the rules being CHANGED to outlaw the Michelin tyre in &#8217;03, goodness only knows. I await your next comedy masterpiece to find out :)</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Scoley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Scoley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Three laps to go and the second placed driver tries a move down the inside at the Bus Stop chicane. The first placed driver, running out of road, cuts the chicane, and emerges in front. He was in front going into the chicane and therefore has not gained a place by cutting it, but concedes the place despite having led 9/10ths of the race. Going into the next corner he attempts to regain first place but finds the door closed and he finishes second. Two hours later he finds he didn&#039;t finish second at all, but, having been handed a 25 second penalty for gaining an advantage by cutting the chicane, he is now fourth. Pretty stupid really. Wouldn&#039;t it be more sensible to penalise a driver the same number of places he is thought to have gained? It seems to me that no account has been taken of how quickly Hamilton caught Raikkonen in the first place. Several comments suggest that if Lewis had followed the Ferrari through the chicane he wouldn&#039;t have been close enough to pass him, which is just nonsense. How many other out braking passes were made into La Source throughout the race by drivers who hadn&#039;t cut the chicane? And wouldn&#039;t it be great if Kimi had gone to the stewards and said Lewis had given the place back and I didn&#039;t cover the corner, my mistake. Which reminds me of clouds and cuckoos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three laps to go and the second placed driver tries a move down the inside at the Bus Stop chicane. The first placed driver, running out of road, cuts the chicane, and emerges in front. He was in front going into the chicane and therefore has not gained a place by cutting it, but concedes the place despite having led 9/10ths of the race. Going into the next corner he attempts to regain first place but finds the door closed and he finishes second. Two hours later he finds he didn&#8217;t finish second at all, but, having been handed a 25 second penalty for gaining an advantage by cutting the chicane, he is now fourth. Pretty stupid really. Wouldn&#8217;t it be more sensible to penalise a driver the same number of places he is thought to have gained? It seems to me that no account has been taken of how quickly Hamilton caught Raikkonen in the first place. Several comments suggest that if Lewis had followed the Ferrari through the chicane he wouldn&#8217;t have been close enough to pass him, which is just nonsense. How many other out braking passes were made into La Source throughout the race by drivers who hadn&#8217;t cut the chicane? And wouldn&#8217;t it be great if Kimi had gone to the stewards and said Lewis had given the place back and I didn&#8217;t cover the corner, my mistake. Which reminds me of clouds and cuckoos.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew, Monaco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew, Monaco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Nigel Roebuck confirms what I think, I know it is correct.  Yet again he has judged the situation perfectly.  The only unbeliebvable part of this activity masqerading as a fair sporting contest is that the FIA have no shame.

Consider this, Ferrari refused to back the ill-fated GPWC and immediately signed up with Ecclestone.  Ever since, they have been taken care of. Mercedes, however, have not and are really paying the price.

We are now seeing almost continuous draconian penalties each season - it does not matter if one team is on the receiving end of them all, what is important is that it is NEVER Ferrari.
Anyone who knows people in the teams will be familiar with the term &quot;Formula Ferrari&quot;

I watched my first GP when James Hunt won at Mount Fuji, I watched my last GP last weekend.

Good luck Lewis but I for one am tired of being regarded with contempt by a pensioner - at least the drivers get paid well to suffer him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Nigel Roebuck confirms what I think, I know it is correct.  Yet again he has judged the situation perfectly.  The only unbeliebvable part of this activity masqerading as a fair sporting contest is that the FIA have no shame.</p>
<p>Consider this, Ferrari refused to back the ill-fated GPWC and immediately signed up with Ecclestone.  Ever since, they have been taken care of. Mercedes, however, have not and are really paying the price.</p>
<p>We are now seeing almost continuous draconian penalties each season &#8211; it does not matter if one team is on the receiving end of them all, what is important is that it is NEVER Ferrari.<br />
Anyone who knows people in the teams will be familiar with the term &#8220;Formula Ferrari&#8221;</p>
<p>I watched my first GP when James Hunt won at Mount Fuji, I watched my last GP last weekend.</p>
<p>Good luck Lewis but I for one am tired of being regarded with contempt by a pensioner &#8211; at least the drivers get paid well to suffer him.</p>
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		<title>By: Edds</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talking about the tyre issue, who can remember the other farce in the US GP where the tyres were claimed to be unsafe on that circuit? What did they do? Let Ferrari drive around and get all the points, while all the other teams pulled out! All they had to do is put a chicane in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talking about the tyre issue, who can remember the other farce in the US GP where the tyres were claimed to be unsafe on that circuit? What did they do? Let Ferrari drive around and get all the points, while all the other teams pulled out! All they had to do is put a chicane in.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Ambroson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Ambroson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick, I didn&#039;t say Ferrari dominated the &#039;03 season, the rules were changed in &#039;03 because of their &#039;02 domination, amongst other reasons.

If you&#039;re going to complain about the Michelin tread width situation, please complain about Ron Dennis having the &quot;clarification&quot; regarding rear wings last year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick, I didn&#8217;t say Ferrari dominated the &#8217;03 season, the rules were changed in &#8217;03 because of their &#8217;02 domination, amongst other reasons.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re going to complain about the Michelin tread width situation, please complain about Ron Dennis having the &#8220;clarification&#8221; regarding rear wings last year.</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s it for me. I&#039;ll find something else to do on Sunday afternoons.</description>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! Some actual racing broke out in F1 and look what&#039;s happened... One can only hope that Monza will see a return to the &quot;normal&quot; modern-day F1 parade we&#039;ve all become accustomed to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! Some actual racing broke out in F1 and look what&#8217;s happened&#8230; One can only hope that Monza will see a return to the &#8220;normal&#8221; modern-day F1 parade we&#8217;ve all become accustomed to.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Pepper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Pepper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich Ambroson at 3.07pm September 10th, drop the sarcasm please, because &quot;yeah, it really WAS helping Ferrari&quot; when the FIA tweaked the rules in &#039;03, forcing Michelin to abandon a tyre design which had Bridgestone-shod Ferrari in a spot of bother as the season climax approached. Far from dominating that 2003 season, as Rich Ambroson claims, with just three GPs left Ferrari were actually trailing Michelin-shod Williams by eight points in the constructors&#039; race and were only six ahead of Michelin-shod McLaren; Schumacher led the drivers&#039; race by just one point from Williams&#039; Montoya, who was himself just one point ahead of Raikkonen, who was then with McLaren, of course. There certainly wouldn&#039;t have been many takers for the &quot;FIA just want the title to go down to the wire&quot; conspiracy theory that particular season, because, after Ferrari complained about those pesky Michelins, the FIA duly changed the procedures and the French company was forced to revise its tyre. Not only did this neutralise the Michelin threat for the remainder of 2003, it seemed to pretty much destabilise it for much of the following season too. The result was that a suddenly rejuvenated (or reprieved) Ferrari were able to romp home for the final three races of 2003 and then dominated 2004 as well. Certainly one exciting championship season ruined, possibly two. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich Ambroson at 3.07pm September 10th, drop the sarcasm please, because &#8220;yeah, it really WAS helping Ferrari&#8221; when the FIA tweaked the rules in &#8217;03, forcing Michelin to abandon a tyre design which had Bridgestone-shod Ferrari in a spot of bother as the season climax approached. Far from dominating that 2003 season, as Rich Ambroson claims, with just three GPs left Ferrari were actually trailing Michelin-shod Williams by eight points in the constructors&#8217; race and were only six ahead of Michelin-shod McLaren; Schumacher led the drivers&#8217; race by just one point from Williams&#8217; Montoya, who was himself just one point ahead of Raikkonen, who was then with McLaren, of course. There certainly wouldn&#8217;t have been many takers for the &#8220;FIA just want the title to go down to the wire&#8221; conspiracy theory that particular season, because, after Ferrari complained about those pesky Michelins, the FIA duly changed the procedures and the French company was forced to revise its tyre. Not only did this neutralise the Michelin threat for the remainder of 2003, it seemed to pretty much destabilise it for much of the following season too. The result was that a suddenly rejuvenated (or reprieved) Ferrari were able to romp home for the final three races of 2003 and then dominated 2004 as well. Certainly one exciting championship season ruined, possibly two.</p>
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		<title>By: Filipe Amoroso</title>
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		<dc:creator>Filipe Amoroso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to Autosport, McLaren were told by Race Control that they were &#039;&#039;ok&#039;&#039; in terms of handing back the advantage to Kimi.

If that&#039;s so, I cannot understand how FIA could hand out a penalty afterwards. 

It doesn&#039;t change my opinion about what happened, but it changes in regard to the penalty. In the sense that it&#039;s a farse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Autosport, McLaren were told by Race Control that they were &#8221;ok&#8221; in terms of handing back the advantage to Kimi.</p>
<p>If that&#8217;s so, I cannot understand how FIA could hand out a penalty afterwards. </p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t change my opinion about what happened, but it changes in regard to the penalty. In the sense that it&#8217;s a farse.</p>
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		<title>By: martin tomlinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>martin tomlinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whenever a grand prix result is left to the findings of an appeal court, it can only be a bad thing for the sport. Alas this years&#039; Belgian GP was not the first, nor will it (I&#039;m sure) be the last!

Leaving aside the wrongs and rights of the Belgian incident, I can&#039;t help but feel that it is the &#039;sanitisation&#039; of the circuit that has a lot to answer for. Consider; If a driver goes off the circuit it&#039;s usually because of an an error of judgement by that driver. Usually it means that at best, the error costs that driver time, at worst it&#039;s the end of his race. If, by going off the circuit that driver drives safely onto a run-off area and can actually gain an advantage (even momentarily) by doing so, where&#039;s the incentive to stay on the track? Had there been a gravel trap or tyres instead of a run-off area I doubt this whole, sorry episode would have occurred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whenever a grand prix result is left to the findings of an appeal court, it can only be a bad thing for the sport. Alas this years&#8217; Belgian GP was not the first, nor will it (I&#8217;m sure) be the last!</p>
<p>Leaving aside the wrongs and rights of the Belgian incident, I can&#8217;t help but feel that it is the &#8216;sanitisation&#8217; of the circuit that has a lot to answer for. Consider; If a driver goes off the circuit it&#8217;s usually because of an an error of judgement by that driver. Usually it means that at best, the error costs that driver time, at worst it&#8217;s the end of his race. If, by going off the circuit that driver drives safely onto a run-off area and can actually gain an advantage (even momentarily) by doing so, where&#8217;s the incentive to stay on the track? Had there been a gravel trap or tyres instead of a run-off area I doubt this whole, sorry episode would have occurred.</p>
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		<title>By: Negative Camber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Negative Camber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 02:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely the team who is penalized deserves an explanation but at what point does the FIA feel it would be prudent to also explain the penalty to the fans?  They turned the race upside down and should we not be afforded an explanation?  This is the Mosley Regime after all and while his sexcapade had copious explanation and justifications of which has been unfortunately seared into my brain; a simple Steward ruling is beyond reach.  shameful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely the team who is penalized deserves an explanation but at what point does the FIA feel it would be prudent to also explain the penalty to the fans?  They turned the race upside down and should we not be afforded an explanation?  This is the Mosley Regime after all and while his sexcapade had copious explanation and justifications of which has been unfortunately seared into my brain; a simple Steward ruling is beyond reach.  shameful.</p>
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		<title>By: Aleš Norský</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aleš Norský</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know. People say that Raikkonen &#039;robustly&#039; defended his position. But what else would be there to expect? I believe that when Hamilton launched himself on the outside, he already knew that more than likely he will need to cut the chicane. Some years ago they used to put cones or tyres in such places, and knocking one over was a problem for the driver. I guess it was not such a bad idea. With ever more run-off areas being paved instead of gravel, some drivers would always just consider them part of regular race track and use them accordingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know. People say that Raikkonen &#8216;robustly&#8217; defended his position. But what else would be there to expect? I believe that when Hamilton launched himself on the outside, he already knew that more than likely he will need to cut the chicane. Some years ago they used to put cones or tyres in such places, and knocking one over was a problem for the driver. I guess it was not such a bad idea. With ever more run-off areas being paved instead of gravel, some drivers would always just consider them part of regular race track and use them accordingly.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Ambroson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Ambroson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s not forget that Bernie wants good TV ratings. No matter how many of us may complain about his various decisions and the FIAs rulings, the ratings seem to go up after controversy. And Bernie likes a tight championship race, a la NASCAR. 

So, if there WAS manipulation, perhaps it wasn&#039;t so much to benefit Ferrari, as to just plain tweak the championship. They already tweaked the rules to do so back in &#039;03, when Ferrari was dominating. Yeah, that really was helping Ferrari, wasn&#039;t it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s not forget that Bernie wants good TV ratings. No matter how many of us may complain about his various decisions and the FIAs rulings, the ratings seem to go up after controversy. And Bernie likes a tight championship race, a la NASCAR. </p>
<p>So, if there WAS manipulation, perhaps it wasn&#8217;t so much to benefit Ferrari, as to just plain tweak the championship. They already tweaked the rules to do so back in &#8217;03, when Ferrari was dominating. Yeah, that really was helping Ferrari, wasn&#8217;t it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: malc</title>
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		<dc:creator>malc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a big ferrari fan, but have to concede that Hamilton did not do anything wrong that i could see. However, same old conspiracy  theories etc- why don&#039;t you press your remote &#039;off&#039; button from the armchair instead of moaning. Me, i&#039;m going to monza this weekend to see the latest twist in the best f1 season i&#039;ve seen for years. Good luck to all the drivers.

30 years on, long live the memory- Ronnie Peterson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a big ferrari fan, but have to concede that Hamilton did not do anything wrong that i could see. However, same old conspiracy  theories etc- why don&#8217;t you press your remote &#8216;off&#8217; button from the armchair instead of moaning. Me, i&#8217;m going to monza this weekend to see the latest twist in the best f1 season i&#8217;ve seen for years. Good luck to all the drivers.</p>
<p>30 years on, long live the memory- Ronnie Peterson</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel that by the strict letter of the rules - although they are very loosely worded - Hamilton is at fault as he would not have been able to overtake Raikkonen where he did, when he did, had he not cut the chicane at the Bus Stop. 

Similarly, regarding Massa&#039;s pit release in Valencia, the timing of Massa&#039;s release relative to the the position of Sutil&#039;s car to the Ferrari pit crew would render it unsafe. I feel that a time penalty, stop-go or grid penalty would have been too harsh as there are mitigating circumstances. Ferrari were fortunate to have the final pit garage meaning that Massa could take a straighter line out of his pit box and would have done so even had Sutil not been there. The positioning of the photographer at his right seems to verify this. Once released Massa lifted and safely slotted in behind the Force India. Thus a penalty changing the course of the race would be too harsh and the appeal should have been thrown out. 

I also believe the same applies to Hamilton&#039;s penalty as the driver over whom he gained the unfair advantage did not finish the race. Had Raikkonen not crashed when he had a course of action similar to the Alonso-Klien incident in 2006 would have been available. The fact that it occurred in the final three laps of the race should have no bearing as it took race stewards only one lap to decide on an (unprecedented) penalty for Heikki Kovalainen at the same event. In essence Hamilton has been heavily punished seemingly for the simple fact that his misdemeanor occurred late in the Grand Prix and that Raikkonen did not finish the race.

Throughout this season and many seasons past there have been countless examples of poor Stewarding decisions being taken. With consistency in the enforcement of the sporting regulations, accusations of corruption, favouritism and conspiracy cannot take root.  One of the main reasons in my eyes is that the stewards have insufficient footage on which to base their judgements. Why not have cameras at all the chicanes, affording the umpires an opportunity to look at these instances in detail? Such transgressions as Vettel&#039;s Hockenheim pit antics and Montreal&#039;s final chicane chicanery would not be missed.

In the end two things seem fishy to me. Why did the ruling on Felipe Massa&#039;s, mid-race misdemeanor get postponed until after the race result when there seemed to be ample time to make it during the grand prix? Secondly, how can a 25 second penalty seem justifiable when its outcome makes no effort to right the wrong it penalises? Hamilton still scores more than Raikkonen despite having fouled him and instead Massa benefits and scores a race win that neither man nor machine deserved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel that by the strict letter of the rules &#8211; although they are very loosely worded &#8211; Hamilton is at fault as he would not have been able to overtake Raikkonen where he did, when he did, had he not cut the chicane at the Bus Stop. </p>
<p>Similarly, regarding Massa&#8217;s pit release in Valencia, the timing of Massa&#8217;s release relative to the the position of Sutil&#8217;s car to the Ferrari pit crew would render it unsafe. I feel that a time penalty, stop-go or grid penalty would have been too harsh as there are mitigating circumstances. Ferrari were fortunate to have the final pit garage meaning that Massa could take a straighter line out of his pit box and would have done so even had Sutil not been there. The positioning of the photographer at his right seems to verify this. Once released Massa lifted and safely slotted in behind the Force India. Thus a penalty changing the course of the race would be too harsh and the appeal should have been thrown out. </p>
<p>I also believe the same applies to Hamilton&#8217;s penalty as the driver over whom he gained the unfair advantage did not finish the race. Had Raikkonen not crashed when he had a course of action similar to the Alonso-Klien incident in 2006 would have been available. The fact that it occurred in the final three laps of the race should have no bearing as it took race stewards only one lap to decide on an (unprecedented) penalty for Heikki Kovalainen at the same event. In essence Hamilton has been heavily punished seemingly for the simple fact that his misdemeanor occurred late in the Grand Prix and that Raikkonen did not finish the race.</p>
<p>Throughout this season and many seasons past there have been countless examples of poor Stewarding decisions being taken. With consistency in the enforcement of the sporting regulations, accusations of corruption, favouritism and conspiracy cannot take root.  One of the main reasons in my eyes is that the stewards have insufficient footage on which to base their judgements. Why not have cameras at all the chicanes, affording the umpires an opportunity to look at these instances in detail? Such transgressions as Vettel&#8217;s Hockenheim pit antics and Montreal&#8217;s final chicane chicanery would not be missed.</p>
<p>In the end two things seem fishy to me. Why did the ruling on Felipe Massa&#8217;s, mid-race misdemeanor get postponed until after the race result when there seemed to be ample time to make it during the grand prix? Secondly, how can a 25 second penalty seem justifiable when its outcome makes no effort to right the wrong it penalises? Hamilton still scores more than Raikkonen despite having fouled him and instead Massa benefits and scores a race win that neither man nor machine deserved.</p>
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		<title>By: p graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>p graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have little interest in F1, but I know a conspiracy when I seen one.
A crass and transparent attempt to liven up the Championship at the tail end of the season.
Perhaps a motoring journalist should put the question to whoever is concerned...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have little interest in F1, but I know a conspiracy when I seen one.<br />
A crass and transparent attempt to liven up the Championship at the tail end of the season.<br />
Perhaps a motoring journalist should put the question to whoever is concerned&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Birch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Birch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 08:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Massa did not &quot;do a great job&quot; on Sunday. On this day at least, he was always going to be behind the two drivers putting on such a great display of skill in front of him.

2. There have indeed been days on which Hamilton seems to have got the benefit of a dubious decision. You could say the same of almost every driver on the grid. And that surely is the point - these penalty decisions are very, VERY inconsistent. Surely the time has now come to have regular stewards at every Grand Prix - preferably ex racing drivers who actually know what they&#039;re talking  about.

3. On this particular occasion, having re-watched the in car footage of the incident, I have no doubt at all that the penalty was incorrect, ill advised and unbelievably stupid in the way it has opened the door to allegations of, at best, amateurism and, at worst, blatant bias.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Massa did not &#8220;do a great job&#8221; on Sunday. On this day at least, he was always going to be behind the two drivers putting on such a great display of skill in front of him.</p>
<p>2. There have indeed been days on which Hamilton seems to have got the benefit of a dubious decision. You could say the same of almost every driver on the grid. And that surely is the point &#8211; these penalty decisions are very, VERY inconsistent. Surely the time has now come to have regular stewards at every Grand Prix &#8211; preferably ex racing drivers who actually know what they&#8217;re talking  about.</p>
<p>3. On this particular occasion, having re-watched the in car footage of the incident, I have no doubt at all that the penalty was incorrect, ill advised and unbelievably stupid in the way it has opened the door to allegations of, at best, amateurism and, at worst, blatant bias.</p>
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		<title>By: Fraser Mackay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fraser Mackay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 08:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had to smile at Niki Lauda throwing his old Parmalat cap into the ring after Spa, when he said that he felt that there was indeed a bias in favour of Ferrari, which he felt until now had been a &quot;bull****&quot; notion. This season is turning into 1976 again between Hunt and Lauda, when we didn&#039;t hear too much from Lauda when Hunt was getting disqualified (Spain and Brands, I think? I was only 8 at the time). Anyway, I look forward to more such pearls of wisdom when BBC1 get the GP back next year, and start a sister show of &quot;Grumpy old F1 drivers&quot;...............</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had to smile at Niki Lauda throwing his old Parmalat cap into the ring after Spa, when he said that he felt that there was indeed a bias in favour of Ferrari, which he felt until now had been a &#8220;bull****&#8221; notion. This season is turning into 1976 again between Hunt and Lauda, when we didn&#8217;t hear too much from Lauda when Hunt was getting disqualified (Spain and Brands, I think? I was only 8 at the time). Anyway, I look forward to more such pearls of wisdom when BBC1 get the GP back next year, and start a sister show of &#8220;Grumpy old F1 drivers&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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