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		<title>By: keceli</title>
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		<dc:creator>keceli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,
Maybe the only reason previous big champions didn&#039;t do it because then the safety risk was higher!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,<br />
Maybe the only reason previous big champions didn&#8217;t do it because then the safety risk was higher!</p>
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		<title>By: dave baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite simply, when it suited, Senna and Schumacher were prepared to cheat and jeapordise the safety of themselves and others when it suited their ultimate objective i.e.t he World Championship.
They do not bear comparison with the likes of Fangio, Moss, Clark, Stewart, Rosberg, Lauda, Petersen and  Mansell.
Heroes all

Dave Baker</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite simply, when it suited, Senna and Schumacher were prepared to cheat and jeapordise the safety of themselves and others when it suited their ultimate objective i.e.t he World Championship.<br />
They do not bear comparison with the likes of Fangio, Moss, Clark, Stewart, Rosberg, Lauda, Petersen and  Mansell.<br />
Heroes all</p>
<p>Dave Baker</p>
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		<title>By: chris brooke</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris brooke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 11:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i would also pass on my thanks to Adrian - said most of what i would like to say extremely effectively, especially as my current fav F1 driver is Nico - this is an excellent thread and one i would have enjoyed over a pint or two- i too dread the return of Michael whom i met in 1995 and was really pleasant and seemed a nice guy- but his driving - and his attitude and the FIA sucking up to him + ferrari yikes- i am dreading the return of the triumvate [ross, michael and todt] as i had started to notice a return to cleaner driving -with some excellent drivers who are fair - except sutil - why wasn&#039;t that punished?  i am seriously concerned - intimidating driving isn&#039;t new Farina was notorius for it and didn&#039;t Sir SM say not such nice things about Graham as well? but this corruption and cheating is awful- and your footnote Nigel brings some optimism and hope as another said</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i would also pass on my thanks to Adrian &#8211; said most of what i would like to say extremely effectively, especially as my current fav F1 driver is Nico &#8211; this is an excellent thread and one i would have enjoyed over a pint or two- i too dread the return of Michael whom i met in 1995 and was really pleasant and seemed a nice guy- but his driving &#8211; and his attitude and the FIA sucking up to him + ferrari yikes- i am dreading the return of the triumvate [ross, michael and todt] as i had started to notice a return to cleaner driving -with some excellent drivers who are fair &#8211; except sutil &#8211; why wasn&#8217;t that punished?  i am seriously concerned &#8211; intimidating driving isn&#8217;t new Farina was notorius for it and didn&#8217;t Sir SM say not such nice things about Graham as well? but this corruption and cheating is awful- and your footnote Nigel brings some optimism and hope as another said</p>
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		<title>By: Casey H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casey H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Adrian Muldrew..  Those you refer to say everything about themselves with their comments and nothing about Mr. Roebuck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Adrian Muldrew..  Those you refer to say everything about themselves with their comments and nothing about Mr. Roebuck.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 02:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nigel,like you ihave watched motor racing for many, many years and never in that time have i felt so ashamed at the behavior of so called motor raceing sportsman of to day this has to include the people who are supposed to govern this shambles,and lets face it they make the rules.  i consider myself fortunate to have seen motor racing and F.1 inparticular at its best,when when drivers like Sterling Moss,Tony Brooks etc. drove with consideration for each other and a handshake meant something. I achieved a lifelong ambition at the Austrailian Grand prix two years ago, i shook hands with my hero Stirling Moss i can now die happy. Keep up the good work Nigel I would like to meet you one day .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nigel,like you ihave watched motor racing for many, many years and never in that time have i felt so ashamed at the behavior of so called motor raceing sportsman of to day this has to include the people who are supposed to govern this shambles,and lets face it they make the rules.  i consider myself fortunate to have seen motor racing and F.1 inparticular at its best,when when drivers like Sterling Moss,Tony Brooks etc. drove with consideration for each other and a handshake meant something. I achieved a lifelong ambition at the Austrailian Grand prix two years ago, i shook hands with my hero Stirling Moss i can now die happy. Keep up the good work Nigel I would like to meet you one day .</p>
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		<title>By: David Redfern</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Redfern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much of the problem with F1 is, as ever, far too much interference and regulation by the FIA. The Piquet/Alonso incident would have been virtually ignored by everyone except for a bit of protesting from the teams had the FIA not waded in to act as the sole judge of fact, the jury and the witnesses combined; its frankly ludicrous that any justice can be expected with that system in place.

Motor sport is a dangerous and exciting sport, what little regulation that existed during the Fangio/Moss/Hawthorn era ensured the drivers had to keep themselves out of trouble, no ship to shore ensured they wouldn&#039;t have known Alonso was about to beat their fastest lap therefore risking damage to their car was just not an option.

The now discredited team orders were accepted by everyone then because the team managers couldn&#039;t be in the car with the driver and what could be conveyed on a pit board had to be deciphered by team mates. That&#039;s what made Fangio/Moss and Hawthorn et al great, the ability to think whilst driving instead of being remotely controlled and instructed on what fuel mix to use every lap.

Were it not for the ludicrously overcomplicated nature of F1 and the FIA the Piquet/Alonso incident would never have happened. F1 is a very simple proposition, put 20 or so guys in cars and drop the flag, the one that crosses the line first is the winner. If one of them deliberately drives into another, best he watches his back at the next race which sounds like a recipe for Death Race but it&#039;s been proven that it breeds more sportsmen than maniacs.

Eliminate FIA interference, I live in hope that Jean Todt will accomplish that feat but I doubt it, the best he can manage will be to improve a fundamentally flawed organisation.

Oh, and Greg Broughton.......I believe you would rather Clark and Stewart&#039;s reputations remain untarnished, not unburnished, to burnish something is to polish it.;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much of the problem with F1 is, as ever, far too much interference and regulation by the FIA. The Piquet/Alonso incident would have been virtually ignored by everyone except for a bit of protesting from the teams had the FIA not waded in to act as the sole judge of fact, the jury and the witnesses combined; its frankly ludicrous that any justice can be expected with that system in place.</p>
<p>Motor sport is a dangerous and exciting sport, what little regulation that existed during the Fangio/Moss/Hawthorn era ensured the drivers had to keep themselves out of trouble, no ship to shore ensured they wouldn&#8217;t have known Alonso was about to beat their fastest lap therefore risking damage to their car was just not an option.</p>
<p>The now discredited team orders were accepted by everyone then because the team managers couldn&#8217;t be in the car with the driver and what could be conveyed on a pit board had to be deciphered by team mates. That&#8217;s what made Fangio/Moss and Hawthorn et al great, the ability to think whilst driving instead of being remotely controlled and instructed on what fuel mix to use every lap.</p>
<p>Were it not for the ludicrously overcomplicated nature of F1 and the FIA the Piquet/Alonso incident would never have happened. F1 is a very simple proposition, put 20 or so guys in cars and drop the flag, the one that crosses the line first is the winner. If one of them deliberately drives into another, best he watches his back at the next race which sounds like a recipe for Death Race but it&#8217;s been proven that it breeds more sportsmen than maniacs.</p>
<p>Eliminate FIA interference, I live in hope that Jean Todt will accomplish that feat but I doubt it, the best he can manage will be to improve a fundamentally flawed organisation.</p>
<p>Oh, and Greg Broughton&#8230;&#8230;.I believe you would rather Clark and Stewart&#8217;s reputations remain untarnished, not unburnished, to burnish something is to polish it.;)</p>
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		<title>By: John Read</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Read</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Tristan, It should be the Flavio/Pat affair rather than the Piquet affair. If we forget about the perceived personality types involved (i.e. sharp businessman, good bloke, temperamental latin) and focus on who cooked up the idea and ordered Piquet to do it, then Flavio and Pat got what they deserved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Tristan, It should be the Flavio/Pat affair rather than the Piquet affair. If we forget about the perceived personality types involved (i.e. sharp businessman, good bloke, temperamental latin) and focus on who cooked up the idea and ordered Piquet to do it, then Flavio and Pat got what they deserved.</p>
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		<title>By: Tristan Wood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tristan Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>None of the named people in the Renault/Singapore affair come out of the story smelling of roses, but I think people have been quick to jump on Piquet Jnr. and quick to overlook the pressures he was under as a youngster keen to stay in F1 whose manager was also his team boss. In my view, no team boss in F1 should also be a manager of drivers - it&#039;s an unhealthy dual role. Unfortunately, it looks like Renault may be going down the same path again now that Gerard Lopez/Gravity Sport Management has bought into the team... However the Briatore appeal against the FIA&#039;s ruling ends up, Jean Todt would earn some respect from me if he were to ban the exploitative practice of combining team boss and driver manager roles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None of the named people in the Renault/Singapore affair come out of the story smelling of roses, but I think people have been quick to jump on Piquet Jnr. and quick to overlook the pressures he was under as a youngster keen to stay in F1 whose manager was also his team boss. In my view, no team boss in F1 should also be a manager of drivers &#8211; it&#8217;s an unhealthy dual role. Unfortunately, it looks like Renault may be going down the same path again now that Gerard Lopez/Gravity Sport Management has bought into the team&#8230; However the Briatore appeal against the FIA&#8217;s ruling ends up, Jean Todt would earn some respect from me if he were to ban the exploitative practice of combining team boss and driver manager roles.</p>
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		<title>By: CasinoSquare</title>
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		<dc:creator>CasinoSquare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adrian is right, however my comments above were aimed at some of the earlier Rule Brittania comments and the Daily Mail! I do not detect any anti German (or anti anything) writing in Motorsport for sure.

BTW, the Jochen Mass article was one of my favourite reads since the Frank Gardner interview. Well done all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adrian is right, however my comments above were aimed at some of the earlier Rule Brittania comments and the Daily Mail! I do not detect any anti German (or anti anything) writing in Motorsport for sure.</p>
<p>BTW, the Jochen Mass article was one of my favourite reads since the Frank Gardner interview. Well done all.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Baulch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Baulch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can anyone tell me why the results of the race
have been allowed to stand ?
Why were Renault
not stripped of all or some of their points</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can anyone tell me why the results of the race<br />
have been allowed to stand ?<br />
Why were Renault<br />
not stripped of all or some of their points</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Bull</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Bull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely right Adrian Muldrew,just wish I could have been as eloquent.It&#039;s the driver how  and what he does is all that matters to followers of Motorsport,NOT where he comes from</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely right Adrian Muldrew,just wish I could have been as eloquent.It&#8217;s the driver how  and what he does is all that matters to followers of Motorsport,NOT where he comes from</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Muldrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian Muldrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surprise surprise, as soon as anyone British, even someone as respected throughout the world&#039;s F1 media as Nigel Roebuck, dares to criticise Schumacher&#039;s on-track ethics, you can guarantee three or four real bigots will wade in with the usual ill-informed claptrap about British anti-German sentiment. 

Guys, this isn&#039;t the Daily Mail website, as at least one of you seems to misapprehend - it&#039;s Motor Sport. And you know what? The vast majority of Motor Sport&#039;s readers are dyed-in-the-wool enthusiasts who love all the good things about our sport, irrespective of what part of the world those good things come from, but also abhor any of the bad things about it, again irrespective of nationality. We criticise the various acts which have stained Schumacher&#039;s career not because he is German, but because he was wrong. Full stop.

And you know what else? Motor Sport readers, like the vast majority of Britain&#039;s many real F1 fans (who pay to watch, come rain or come shine, in good times for British motor racing and in bad), LOVE their heroes wherever they come from, Germany most certainly included. 

Witness the genuine warmth with which Sebastian Vettel&#039;s win was greeted at Silverstone this year - despite the fact that he was emerging as a challenger to a British driver for the world title. Read the current edition of Motor Sport (I suspect many of Nigel Roebuck&#039;s critics don&#039;t or won&#039;t) and you will come across a very affectionately written piece by Simon Taylor (a Brit) on Jochen Mass (a German), in which the similar warmth in which Mass is held by the British motorsport community comes across just as strongly.

The much-missed Stefan Bellof; Smokin&#039; Jo Winkelhock in the tin tops; Hans-Joachim Stuck - all were held in great affection and esteem by British fans.
I don&#039;t detect any British animus whatsoever to the various German stars in F1 today. Alongside Vettel, I would say that Nico Rosberg, Timo Glock, Nick Heidfeld and Adrian Sutil are all regarded well enough by British fans. Speaking personally, I like them all as individuals and, whilst naturally I wouldn&#039;t place them all as equals in terms of driving talent, I think each of them has shone from time to time in Grands Prix and I&#039;ve cheered them all when they have (and groaned at the bad luck of them all too, particularly Sutil at Monaco, I suppose).

Finally, anyone who can append trite comments about British anti-Germanism to an article by Nigel Roebuck, of all people, really does not know their man. Anyone who&#039;s followed his fine articles over the years knows that he has two or three genuine heroes. Gilles Villeneuve and Jean Behra are two of them, but, above all his other heroes, I think I&#039;m right in saying that Mr Roebuck places Bernd Rosemeyer, the great German driver of the thirties.

The people who have made the remarks in question owe Nigel Roebuck an apology. If the problem is not they themselves are just anti-British, they may even be big enough to offer one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surprise surprise, as soon as anyone British, even someone as respected throughout the world&#8217;s F1 media as Nigel Roebuck, dares to criticise Schumacher&#8217;s on-track ethics, you can guarantee three or four real bigots will wade in with the usual ill-informed claptrap about British anti-German sentiment. </p>
<p>Guys, this isn&#8217;t the Daily Mail website, as at least one of you seems to misapprehend &#8211; it&#8217;s Motor Sport. And you know what? The vast majority of Motor Sport&#8217;s readers are dyed-in-the-wool enthusiasts who love all the good things about our sport, irrespective of what part of the world those good things come from, but also abhor any of the bad things about it, again irrespective of nationality. We criticise the various acts which have stained Schumacher&#8217;s career not because he is German, but because he was wrong. Full stop.</p>
<p>And you know what else? Motor Sport readers, like the vast majority of Britain&#8217;s many real F1 fans (who pay to watch, come rain or come shine, in good times for British motor racing and in bad), LOVE their heroes wherever they come from, Germany most certainly included. </p>
<p>Witness the genuine warmth with which Sebastian Vettel&#8217;s win was greeted at Silverstone this year &#8211; despite the fact that he was emerging as a challenger to a British driver for the world title. Read the current edition of Motor Sport (I suspect many of Nigel Roebuck&#8217;s critics don&#8217;t or won&#8217;t) and you will come across a very affectionately written piece by Simon Taylor (a Brit) on Jochen Mass (a German), in which the similar warmth in which Mass is held by the British motorsport community comes across just as strongly.</p>
<p>The much-missed Stefan Bellof; Smokin&#8217; Jo Winkelhock in the tin tops; Hans-Joachim Stuck &#8211; all were held in great affection and esteem by British fans.<br />
I don&#8217;t detect any British animus whatsoever to the various German stars in F1 today. Alongside Vettel, I would say that Nico Rosberg, Timo Glock, Nick Heidfeld and Adrian Sutil are all regarded well enough by British fans. Speaking personally, I like them all as individuals and, whilst naturally I wouldn&#8217;t place them all as equals in terms of driving talent, I think each of them has shone from time to time in Grands Prix and I&#8217;ve cheered them all when they have (and groaned at the bad luck of them all too, particularly Sutil at Monaco, I suppose).</p>
<p>Finally, anyone who can append trite comments about British anti-Germanism to an article by Nigel Roebuck, of all people, really does not know their man. Anyone who&#8217;s followed his fine articles over the years knows that he has two or three genuine heroes. Gilles Villeneuve and Jean Behra are two of them, but, above all his other heroes, I think I&#8217;m right in saying that Mr Roebuck places Bernd Rosemeyer, the great German driver of the thirties.</p>
<p>The people who have made the remarks in question owe Nigel Roebuck an apology. If the problem is not they themselves are just anti-British, they may even be big enough to offer one.</p>
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		<title>By: raghead</title>
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		<dc:creator>raghead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fangio, Moss, Clark, Brooks and Stewart were all brilliant drivers and gentlemen.
Senna &amp; Schumacher were brilliant but flawed, with their undoubted superiority they didn&#039;t need to adopt the dirty and dangerous tactics they often employed.
Give me the gentlemen anyday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fangio, Moss, Clark, Brooks and Stewart were all brilliant drivers and gentlemen.<br />
Senna &amp; Schumacher were brilliant but flawed, with their undoubted superiority they didn&#8217;t need to adopt the dirty and dangerous tactics they often employed.<br />
Give me the gentlemen anyday.</p>
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		<title>By: CasinoSquare</title>
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		<dc:creator>CasinoSquare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 01:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Boote talks sense.  Ok I admit i admire Senna and Schumacher hugely as drivers/competitors/talents, way beyond anyone on the grid today (perhaps save Alonso). I just do.

Prost (another quite brilliant driver)committed acts oft missed that people would question. Senna was silly to try to get all eye for an eye but Prosts actions were relevant contextually nonetheless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Boote talks sense.  Ok I admit i admire Senna and Schumacher hugely as drivers/competitors/talents, way beyond anyone on the grid today (perhaps save Alonso). I just do.</p>
<p>Prost (another quite brilliant driver)committed acts oft missed that people would question. Senna was silly to try to get all eye for an eye but Prosts actions were relevant contextually nonetheless.</p>
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		<title>By: CasinoSquare</title>
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		<dc:creator>CasinoSquare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 01:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Brit overseas i watch the anti German stuff with a degree of removal and find it baffling to see people get unduly nationalistic about matters F1. I will not miss the Daily Mail et al doing the Our Boys McLaren verses Fritz Mercedes rubbish...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Brit overseas i watch the anti German stuff with a degree of removal and find it baffling to see people get unduly nationalistic about matters F1. I will not miss the Daily Mail et al doing the Our Boys McLaren verses Fritz Mercedes rubbish&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Broughton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Broughton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 00:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And is everybody forgetting Senna deliberately running into the back of Mansell&#039;s Ferrari whilst Nige was braking for a corner at an Australian GP?

It was obvious to many observers but Senna vehemently denied it at the time. He later admitted as much many years later.

I put both Senna and Schumacher in the &quot;flawed genius&quot; category. Jim Clark&#039;s and Jackie Stewart&#039;s reputation, however, remain unburnished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And is everybody forgetting Senna deliberately running into the back of Mansell&#8217;s Ferrari whilst Nige was braking for a corner at an Australian GP?</p>
<p>It was obvious to many observers but Senna vehemently denied it at the time. He later admitted as much many years later.</p>
<p>I put both Senna and Schumacher in the &#8220;flawed genius&#8221; category. Jim Clark&#8217;s and Jackie Stewart&#8217;s reputation, however, remain unburnished.</p>
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		<title>By: David Boote</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Boote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am tired of hearing the Senna/Prost incident at Suzuka in 1990 bracketed with the Shumacher/Hill, Shumacher/Villeneuve and now Shumacher/Monaco and Piquet Jnr incidents. It is always included without any reference to the incident the previous year when Prost took Senna off at the chicane by turning in way before the apex (clearly shown in overhead footage).This doesn&#039;t make Senna blameless but does show it as an &quot;eye for an eye&quot; rather than an  attempt to prevent any other driver finishing ahead of him. I seem to remember Shumacher even tried to squeeze his own brother into the pit wall on one occasion and Senna would never have resorted to parking a healthy car to get pole at Monaco. His pole position record stands up against any record in F1 and I don&#039;t include the &quot;race fuel&quot; period which thankfully is now over as it made a complete mockery of what pole position is all about. As Peter Mutch said he was recently voted the greatest ever by the only people who really know the whole story, the drivers. Enough said !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am tired of hearing the Senna/Prost incident at Suzuka in 1990 bracketed with the Shumacher/Hill, Shumacher/Villeneuve and now Shumacher/Monaco and Piquet Jnr incidents. It is always included without any reference to the incident the previous year when Prost took Senna off at the chicane by turning in way before the apex (clearly shown in overhead footage).This doesn&#8217;t make Senna blameless but does show it as an &#8220;eye for an eye&#8221; rather than an  attempt to prevent any other driver finishing ahead of him. I seem to remember Shumacher even tried to squeeze his own brother into the pit wall on one occasion and Senna would never have resorted to parking a healthy car to get pole at Monaco. His pole position record stands up against any record in F1 and I don&#8217;t include the &#8220;race fuel&#8221; period which thankfully is now over as it made a complete mockery of what pole position is all about. As Peter Mutch said he was recently voted the greatest ever by the only people who really know the whole story, the drivers. Enough said !!!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Synge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Synge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn&#039;t it have been interesting if the FIA had published the Ferrari radio transmissions that practice day in Monaco 2006?
Was blocking the track Schumacher&#039;s solo idea to be endorsed by M.Todt &amp; R.Brawn or was it, perhaps, a pre-meditated plan hatched up &amp; suggested by the Ferrari management in order to secure pole.
No doubt one day the whole story will come out - perhaps it&#039;ll be in Nigel Stepney&#039;s autobiography!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it have been interesting if the FIA had published the Ferrari radio transmissions that practice day in Monaco 2006?<br />
Was blocking the track Schumacher&#8217;s solo idea to be endorsed by M.Todt &amp; R.Brawn or was it, perhaps, a pre-meditated plan hatched up &amp; suggested by the Ferrari management in order to secure pole.<br />
No doubt one day the whole story will come out &#8211; perhaps it&#8217;ll be in Nigel Stepney&#8217;s autobiography!</p>
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		<title>By: Clive S. Stewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clive S. Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The consensus is obviously in Nigel&#039;s favour and my personal feelings are best summed up by David Holmes as I also hope that MS comes back and is well and truly put in his place. I still try very hard to think of our sport as a sport but there are times when I have had to question this and of course the Piquetgate saga was to me the last straw. 
Sir SM, bless him, has to be the greatest living sportsman who has graced our sport and I am priveleged to have seen him in action and I only hope that maybe somewhere out there there is another of his calibre and who values his God given ability as a gift for him to enjoy and not as a tool to manipulate and cheat to achieve goals that can only be described as totally unwanted and unwarranted in a sporting arena.
Jean Todt has to make it a priority to make every effort to return the sport to motor sport and to show the world that what we enjoy does indeed reflect the true nature and intention of  what we do with our Sundays during the summer months. 
However thankyou Nigel for stirring the pot so succinctly once again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The consensus is obviously in Nigel&#8217;s favour and my personal feelings are best summed up by David Holmes as I also hope that MS comes back and is well and truly put in his place. I still try very hard to think of our sport as a sport but there are times when I have had to question this and of course the Piquetgate saga was to me the last straw.<br />
Sir SM, bless him, has to be the greatest living sportsman who has graced our sport and I am priveleged to have seen him in action and I only hope that maybe somewhere out there there is another of his calibre and who values his God given ability as a gift for him to enjoy and not as a tool to manipulate and cheat to achieve goals that can only be described as totally unwanted and unwarranted in a sporting arena.<br />
Jean Todt has to make it a priority to make every effort to return the sport to motor sport and to show the world that what we enjoy does indeed reflect the true nature and intention of  what we do with our Sundays during the summer months.<br />
However thankyou Nigel for stirring the pot so succinctly once again.</p>
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		<title>By: Alastair Warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alastair Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brundle said at the time that Piquet&#039;s drive into the barriers at Singapore looked innocuous.

I am incredulous that the FIA could have sat on it for months when more than a few people must have cottoned on to what had happened at the time.

Perhaps the desertion of BMW, Honda and Toyota, and the way sponsors have distanced themselves from Tiger Woods will be all the stimulus the FIA need to raise their game and to stop insulting the intelligence of people that follow F1?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brundle said at the time that Piquet&#8217;s drive into the barriers at Singapore looked innocuous.</p>
<p>I am incredulous that the FIA could have sat on it for months when more than a few people must have cottoned on to what had happened at the time.</p>
<p>Perhaps the desertion of BMW, Honda and Toyota, and the way sponsors have distanced themselves from Tiger Woods will be all the stimulus the FIA need to raise their game and to stop insulting the intelligence of people that follow F1?</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Baynton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Baynton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny you should say that Rupert, David Richards always reminds me of Sid James and I suppose Patrick Head could do a Terry Scott at a pinch!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny you should say that Rupert, David Richards always reminds me of Sid James and I suppose Patrick Head could do a Terry Scott at a pinch!!!</p>
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		<title>By: peter mutch</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter mutch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The comparison of Piquet&#039;s incident to Schumacher&#039;s is fair in terms of how the culprit&#039;s were dealt with  , but the bracketing together of schumacher and senna is certainly not - schumacher had several incident&#039;s of cheating as his natural instant reaction to a circumstance thereby revealing his true nature, Senna in Suzuka was open before and after the event what line he would take and was clearly of the  view he was ensuring natural justice was done given the events of the previous year. Senna has been voted the greatest ever by those that should know , the F1 drivers themselves and  those who think him not a worthy champion  should also consider his activities off the track where his compassion for those less fortunate than he has resulted in  many millions of dollars raised by him and in his name for children&#039;s charities</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comparison of Piquet&#8217;s incident to Schumacher&#8217;s is fair in terms of how the culprit&#8217;s were dealt with  , but the bracketing together of schumacher and senna is certainly not &#8211; schumacher had several incident&#8217;s of cheating as his natural instant reaction to a circumstance thereby revealing his true nature, Senna in Suzuka was open before and after the event what line he would take and was clearly of the  view he was ensuring natural justice was done given the events of the previous year. Senna has been voted the greatest ever by those that should know , the F1 drivers themselves and  those who think him not a worthy champion  should also consider his activities off the track where his compassion for those less fortunate than he has resulted in  many millions of dollars raised by him and in his name for children&#8217;s charities</p>
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		<title>By: Mario Pizzi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mario Pizzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah the Schumacher bashing......must be a British hobby. What upsets me is that he should have left the door open for Villeneuve in 1997, the latter would have slid into the kitty litter never to win another race in F1. No one seems to remeber JV&#039;s lunge at Irvine in France or when he cut accros the track as he exited the pits at Suzuka in an effort to stay ahead of Schumacher.....at 180 mph not to mention all his other banzai attempts in the seasons that followed. Thing was that the rest of the grid gave him all the openings he wanted and he promptly made an ass of himself. Frankly didn&#039;t deserve to be on the same race track as Schumacher. Same goes for Hill.

Merry Xmas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah the Schumacher bashing&#8230;&#8230;must be a British hobby. What upsets me is that he should have left the door open for Villeneuve in 1997, the latter would have slid into the kitty litter never to win another race in F1. No one seems to remeber JV&#8217;s lunge at Irvine in France or when he cut accros the track as he exited the pits at Suzuka in an effort to stay ahead of Schumacher&#8230;..at 180 mph not to mention all his other banzai attempts in the seasons that followed. Thing was that the rest of the grid gave him all the openings he wanted and he promptly made an ass of himself. Frankly didn&#8217;t deserve to be on the same race track as Schumacher. Same goes for Hill.</p>
<p>Merry Xmas</p>
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		<title>By: Rupert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rupert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone noticed how Schumacher is a dead ringer for Bernard Cribbins. Perhaps we could have a Carry On F1. I can see the cast list now.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone noticed how Schumacher is a dead ringer for Bernard Cribbins. Perhaps we could have a Carry On F1. I can see the cast list now&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: John Saviano</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Saviano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some drivers (or anybody else in sport or even life) will sometimes do bad things - if there are no consequences for doing so. Schumacher &quot;got away&quot; with what he did to Hill &amp; Villeneuve, et al, as no adequate punishment was meted out. If so, he would have driven differently and others wouldn&#039;t be tempted to abuse the rules. I place the blame with the FIA who looked the other way countless times. Ferrari benefitted many times from that. We&#039;ll see if the Todt era is different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some drivers (or anybody else in sport or even life) will sometimes do bad things &#8211; if there are no consequences for doing so. Schumacher &#8220;got away&#8221; with what he did to Hill &amp; Villeneuve, et al, as no adequate punishment was meted out. If so, he would have driven differently and others wouldn&#8217;t be tempted to abuse the rules. I place the blame with the FIA who looked the other way countless times. Ferrari benefitted many times from that. We&#8217;ll see if the Todt era is different.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas D'Amato</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas D'Amato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t defend Schumacher&#039;s act in Rascasse in any way.  The differences between his transgressions (Adelaide &#039;94, Jerez &#039;97 included) and Piquet&#039;s lie in the haziest of moral grey areas.  

Piquet&#039;s action is the more treacherous for its lengthy premeditation period and the circumstances under which the &quot;truth&quot; came to light (as you succinctly summed up: fired, revenge).

Schumacher&#039;s treacheries were the split-second acts of a sportsman&#039;s mind gone numb with the thought of being beaten by someone, anyone, he considered an inferior.  Like Senna before him, this competitiveness is probably best known only to a few mad people at the top of their respective games. It doesn&#039;t justify anything, but it sure is a lot more romantic to imagine what goes on in the minds of our beloved sport&#039;s &quot;greats&quot; at their moments of weakness than picturing a petulent Piquet trying to save his justly waning career.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t defend Schumacher&#8217;s act in Rascasse in any way.  The differences between his transgressions (Adelaide &#8217;94, Jerez &#8217;97 included) and Piquet&#8217;s lie in the haziest of moral grey areas.  </p>
<p>Piquet&#8217;s action is the more treacherous for its lengthy premeditation period and the circumstances under which the &#8220;truth&#8221; came to light (as you succinctly summed up: fired, revenge).</p>
<p>Schumacher&#8217;s treacheries were the split-second acts of a sportsman&#8217;s mind gone numb with the thought of being beaten by someone, anyone, he considered an inferior.  Like Senna before him, this competitiveness is probably best known only to a few mad people at the top of their respective games. It doesn&#8217;t justify anything, but it sure is a lot more romantic to imagine what goes on in the minds of our beloved sport&#8217;s &#8220;greats&#8221; at their moments of weakness than picturing a petulent Piquet trying to save his justly waning career.</p>
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		<title>By: Darren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having attended the &#039;95 race at Spa, I recall the rains started halfway through the first qualifying lap.  Alesi smartly lined up first out of the pits, then duly spun at La Source having clinched pole.  A wink and a smile from Jean and a few laughs all around and that was that.  No so long ago, but still different times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having attended the &#8217;95 race at Spa, I recall the rains started halfway through the first qualifying lap.  Alesi smartly lined up first out of the pits, then duly spun at La Source having clinched pole.  A wink and a smile from Jean and a few laughs all around and that was that.  No so long ago, but still different times.</p>
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		<title>By: relinuca</title>
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		<dc:creator>relinuca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nige,

I agree completely with your comparisons between Schuey&#039;s &quot;accident&quot; and Piquet&#039;s. While I don&#039;t think you&#039;ve commented so far in re. the punishment&#039;s for Flav and Pat, I think Flav&#039;s lifetime ban is highly disproportional to Pat&#039;s 5 year penalty. Why? More F1 politics, I suppose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nige,</p>
<p>I agree completely with your comparisons between Schuey&#8217;s &#8220;accident&#8221; and Piquet&#8217;s. While I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;ve commented so far in re. the punishment&#8217;s for Flav and Pat, I think Flav&#8217;s lifetime ban is highly disproportional to Pat&#8217;s 5 year penalty. Why? More F1 politics, I suppose.</p>
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		<title>By: david holmes</title>
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		<dc:creator>david holmes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The supporters of all things &quot;Germanic&quot; can bray all they like, but Schumacher was notorious for being prepared to do anything to win, or to stop his closest rival from scoring more points. Just ask Damon Hil and Gilles Villeneuve; one was effectively and deliberately taken out (Hill), but the other was just a bit too smart, maybe because he knew that Schumacher would try something (Villeneuve). Senna was as bad, blatantly and deliberately aiming at Prost and punting him out of a race so that he could win the Championship. The biggest problem is that there was an attitude of entitlement with Schumacher and Ferrari. Ferrari still has it, and has lost a lot of fan support outside Italy because of it. I&#039;m sorry that Schumacher has apparently chosen to come back into Formula 1; I hope, without malice, that he is well and truly beaten, comprehensively and often.  Unfortunately, F1 is no longer for gentlemen, there&#039;s too much money at stake, too many races, and it&#039;s become too much &quot;big business&quot;. Drivers have no social connection with each other like they used to in more relaxed and friendly times. I miss the 250F and Vanwall days, when it was inexpensive and fun to go to a Grand Prix and wander the pits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The supporters of all things &#8220;Germanic&#8221; can bray all they like, but Schumacher was notorious for being prepared to do anything to win, or to stop his closest rival from scoring more points. Just ask Damon Hil and Gilles Villeneuve; one was effectively and deliberately taken out (Hill), but the other was just a bit too smart, maybe because he knew that Schumacher would try something (Villeneuve). Senna was as bad, blatantly and deliberately aiming at Prost and punting him out of a race so that he could win the Championship. The biggest problem is that there was an attitude of entitlement with Schumacher and Ferrari. Ferrari still has it, and has lost a lot of fan support outside Italy because of it. I&#8217;m sorry that Schumacher has apparently chosen to come back into Formula 1; I hope, without malice, that he is well and truly beaten, comprehensively and often.  Unfortunately, F1 is no longer for gentlemen, there&#8217;s too much money at stake, too many races, and it&#8217;s become too much &#8220;big business&#8221;. Drivers have no social connection with each other like they used to in more relaxed and friendly times. I miss the 250F and Vanwall days, when it was inexpensive and fun to go to a Grand Prix and wander the pits.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Adey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Adey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Brian Bull, ethics have moved a great deal downwards since Moss&#039; day.
Not only did Moss assist Hawthorn&#039;s world championship, but Phil Hill also did his bit to assist Mike both at Casablanca and Monza.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Brian Bull, ethics have moved a great deal downwards since Moss&#8217; day.<br />
Not only did Moss assist Hawthorn&#8217;s world championship, but Phil Hill also did his bit to assist Mike both at Casablanca and Monza.</p>
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